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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About Y. Ben-David&#039;s comment, I find it weird that : &#039;The Jewish Bible clearly and unequivocaly condemns homosexuality (i.e. homosexual acts) in the strongest possible terms&quot;
&#039;It describes it as an “abomination” which is the same term it uses for idol worship and corrupt business practices&#039;

Idol worship= abomination, yeah !!!

But then again, corrupt business practices...somehow seem to work OK for many, many people...

We somehow see it everyday, be it the diamond district in Antwerpen or Tel Aviv, or the Garment District in NY, or downtown Mexico City... you name it...

&quot;Corrupt business practices&quot; have long proved to be OK, as long as you&#039;d go to shul, keep Shabbat and a kosher home, yadah, yadah, yadah.

Might it be because, in the end, you&#039;re bringing money to the household??

I don&#039;t follow any of the above mentioned (kosher/shul/shabbat) and I&#039;d never fall into idol worshiping or corrupt business practices...

I&#039;m just an ethically raised jew who respects EVERYONE and therefore expects the same in return... That simple...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Y. Ben-David&#8217;s comment, I find it weird that : &#8216;The Jewish Bible clearly and unequivocaly condemns homosexuality (i.e. homosexual acts) in the strongest possible terms&#8221;<br />
&#8216;It describes it as an “abomination” which is the same term it uses for idol worship and corrupt business practices&#8217;</p>
<p>Idol worship= abomination, yeah !!!</p>
<p>But then again, corrupt business practices&#8230;somehow seem to work OK for many, many people&#8230;</p>
<p>We somehow see it everyday, be it the diamond district in Antwerpen or Tel Aviv, or the Garment District in NY, or downtown Mexico City&#8230; you name it&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Corrupt business practices&#8221; have long proved to be OK, as long as you&#8217;d go to shul, keep Shabbat and a kosher home, yadah, yadah, yadah.</p>
<p>Might it be because, in the end, you&#8217;re bringing money to the household??</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t follow any of the above mentioned (kosher/shul/shabbat) and I&#8217;d never fall into idol worshiping or corrupt business practices&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just an ethically raised jew who respects EVERYONE and therefore expects the same in return&#8230; That simple&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Greer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Greer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a review of possible reconciliation between Orthodoxy and homosexuality you might check out &quot;Wrestling with God &amp; Men&quot; by Rabbi Steven Greenberg.

As to the &quot;certainty&quot; about what Leviticus 18 &amp; 20 says, one might check out Jacob Milgrom&#039;s commentary on these chapters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a review of possible reconciliation between Orthodoxy and homosexuality you might check out &#8220;Wrestling with God &amp; Men&#8221; by Rabbi Steven Greenberg.</p>
<p>As to the &#8220;certainty&#8221; about what Leviticus 18 &amp; 20 says, one might check out Jacob Milgrom&#8217;s commentary on these chapters.</p>
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		<title>By: Y. Ben-David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Y. Ben-David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

You are completely wrong about this.  The Jewish Bible clearly and unequivocaly condemns homosexuality (i.e. homosexual acts) in the strongest possible terms, IN THE ORIGINAL HEBREW LANGUAGE. It is not just a matter of &quot;corrupt translation&quot;.  It describes it as an &quot;abomination&quot; which is the same term it uses for idol worship and corrupt business practices.  There are no two ways about it even though it is not PC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>You are completely wrong about this.  The Jewish Bible clearly and unequivocaly condemns homosexuality (i.e. homosexual acts) in the strongest possible terms, IN THE ORIGINAL HEBREW LANGUAGE. It is not just a matter of &#8220;corrupt translation&#8221;.  It describes it as an &#8220;abomination&#8221; which is the same term it uses for idol worship and corrupt business practices.  There are no two ways about it even though it is not PC.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a thoughtful post. There is an important omission though: In your comment,

&quot;To find a solution we must seek to understand the severe prohibitions against homosexuality that we see in the halachic tradition, and in the traditions of other societies. To dismiss them as primitive superstition is an act of hubris—it assumes that we, at the dawn of the 21st century, have reached an epitome of wisdom never achieved before in the history of mankind. On the face of it, that seems to me to be a questionable working assumption.&quot;,

 - you omit to mention that in many &#039;primitive&#039; societies homosexuality has been acknowledged and accepted in various forms. Indeed, people with non-heterosexual, not standard gender identity have often had important roles as spiritual guides, philosophers and healers, not just merely &#039;tolerated&#039; as long as they didn&#039;t strive for non-condemnation. Perhaps we shouldn&#039;t simply dismiss those cultural norms as primitive superstition either.

In fact, coming at this from a Christian upbringing, I find that taking a look at the Hebrew (with the help of others) that was the basis for the New Testament in the Christian Bible, I find evidence of not just acknowledgement of homosexuality in ancient Jewish culture, but actual acceptance of it, obfuscated by blatantly deliberate corrupt translation into English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a thoughtful post. There is an important omission though: In your comment,</p>
<p>&#8220;To find a solution we must seek to understand the severe prohibitions against homosexuality that we see in the halachic tradition, and in the traditions of other societies. To dismiss them as primitive superstition is an act of hubris—it assumes that we, at the dawn of the 21st century, have reached an epitome of wisdom never achieved before in the history of mankind. On the face of it, that seems to me to be a questionable working assumption.&#8221;,</p>
<p> &#8211; you omit to mention that in many &#8216;primitive&#8217; societies homosexuality has been acknowledged and accepted in various forms. Indeed, people with non-heterosexual, not standard gender identity have often had important roles as spiritual guides, philosophers and healers, not just merely &#8216;tolerated&#8217; as long as they didn&#8217;t strive for non-condemnation. Perhaps we shouldn&#8217;t simply dismiss those cultural norms as primitive superstition either.</p>
<p>In fact, coming at this from a Christian upbringing, I find that taking a look at the Hebrew (with the help of others) that was the basis for the New Testament in the Christian Bible, I find evidence of not just acknowledgement of homosexuality in ancient Jewish culture, but actual acceptance of it, obfuscated by blatantly deliberate corrupt translation into English.</p>
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