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		<title>By: Spot the rejectionist &#171; The Heathlander</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2008/04/is-hamas-looking-for-a-two-state-solution-should-we-listen/comment-page-1/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Spot the rejectionist &#171; The Heathlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] statements from Hamas indicating the organisation&#8217;s acceptance of a two-state settlement. In a recent interview with a pro-Fatah Palestinian newspaper, for example, Hamas chief and traditional hardliner Khaled [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Quote of the Day &#171; The Heathlander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quote of the Day &#171; The Heathlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] chief Khaled Mesha&#8217;al, in an interview with the pro-Fatah Palestinian newspaper Al-Ayyam in April. He continued: &#8220;We have the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Commentary &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The P.R. Difficulties of Jihad</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2008/04/is-hamas-looking-for-a-two-state-solution-should-we-listen/comment-page-1/#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>Commentary &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The P.R. Difficulties of Jihad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the defense against the Israeli settlements and cities around Gaza.&#8221; (Someone please alert Gershom Gorenberg.) Ah, yes&#8211;occupied Sderot! Just a little south of occupied West [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the defense against the Israeli settlements and cities around Gaza.&#8221; (Someone please alert Gershom Gorenberg.) Ah, yes&#8211;occupied Sderot! Just a little south of occupied West [...]</p>
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		<title>By: masdar</title>
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		<dc:creator>masdar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog.  Keep up the good work.  Meshal may have said what he is reported to have said but he didn&#039;t say in the Al Ayyam article that you&#039;ve linked to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog.  Keep up the good work.  Meshal may have said what he is reported to have said but he didn&#8217;t say in the Al Ayyam article that you&#8217;ve linked to.</p>
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		<title>By: Y. Ben-David</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2008/04/is-hamas-looking-for-a-two-state-solution-should-we-listen/comment-page-1/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>Y. Ben-David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herbert Hoover, as I pointed out, was a great humanitarian, and he set in motion some of the things that led to an improvement in the economic situation after he left office, such as the Reconstrution Finance Corporation (RFC). However, that does not change my assessment of him as a &quot;lousy President&quot; because he lost of confidence of a large majority of the population, the banks were closing when he left office, etc.
A President who can&#039;t govern is of no use, no matter how smart he was.
I am an admirer of Orwell (Eric Blair) even though he was an anti-Zionist because he described things as they are.  His experience in the Spanish Civil War opened his eyes to the foul nature of Communism.  He realized that &quot;intellectuals&quot;, although no doubt important in the realm of science and the arts, have proven themselves to be terrible in politics and in understanding how human societies work.
He wrote an article saying how modern education (at least in the mid-20th century) was good at filling students head with facts, was failing miserably in teaching people to think critically.
I&#039;ll give an example:

In the Oslo Agreements, Peres and Rabin came to the Israeli people and said &quot;we are going to bring to Israel a vicious antisemite mass murderer (Arafat) and his terrorist gangs who have killed many Jews and many more Arabs (and I, with my own ears heard, a Labor Party Knesset Member who supported Oslo use terms like this to describe Arafat and his FATAH gangs), we will then arm and finance them and then put them in charge of protecting Israelis, even though he says openly that he still views us as the enemy.  Sure enough , as we who opposed Oslo predicte, Arafat cut loose an unprecedented wave of terror, killing or wounding thousands. Now, does this make sense?  Do you know how many &quot;smart&quot; people and &quot;Intellectuals&quot; fell for this?  Anybody who was able to think critically understood the folly of this.

Another example:  The Marxists spent decades honing an entire philosophy of government and economics &quot;proving&quot; that it was a better way to run a country than Western capitalism.  Many &quot;geniuses&quot; like Satre, Marcuse, and thousands of others signed on and believed it. How did that system work out?
Just because Einstein understood physics better than everyone else didn&#039;t mean he understood politics. There is no connection whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herbert Hoover, as I pointed out, was a great humanitarian, and he set in motion some of the things that led to an improvement in the economic situation after he left office, such as the Reconstrution Finance Corporation (RFC). However, that does not change my assessment of him as a &#8220;lousy President&#8221; because he lost of confidence of a large majority of the population, the banks were closing when he left office, etc.<br />
A President who can&#8217;t govern is of no use, no matter how smart he was.<br />
I am an admirer of Orwell (Eric Blair) even though he was an anti-Zionist because he described things as they are.  His experience in the Spanish Civil War opened his eyes to the foul nature of Communism.  He realized that &#8220;intellectuals&#8221;, although no doubt important in the realm of science and the arts, have proven themselves to be terrible in politics and in understanding how human societies work.<br />
He wrote an article saying how modern education (at least in the mid-20th century) was good at filling students head with facts, was failing miserably in teaching people to think critically.<br />
I&#8217;ll give an example:</p>
<p>In the Oslo Agreements, Peres and Rabin came to the Israeli people and said &#8220;we are going to bring to Israel a vicious antisemite mass murderer (Arafat) and his terrorist gangs who have killed many Jews and many more Arabs (and I, with my own ears heard, a Labor Party Knesset Member who supported Oslo use terms like this to describe Arafat and his FATAH gangs), we will then arm and finance them and then put them in charge of protecting Israelis, even though he says openly that he still views us as the enemy.  Sure enough , as we who opposed Oslo predicte, Arafat cut loose an unprecedented wave of terror, killing or wounding thousands. Now, does this make sense?  Do you know how many &#8220;smart&#8221; people and &#8220;Intellectuals&#8221; fell for this?  Anybody who was able to think critically understood the folly of this.</p>
<p>Another example:  The Marxists spent decades honing an entire philosophy of government and economics &#8220;proving&#8221; that it was a better way to run a country than Western capitalism.  Many &#8220;geniuses&#8221; like Satre, Marcuse, and thousands of others signed on and believed it. How did that system work out?<br />
Just because Einstein understood physics better than everyone else didn&#8217;t mean he understood politics. There is no connection whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe Bird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abe Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two states solution should contain all mandatory Palestine and it means also the eastern bank of Jordan River. Palestine is quite very small place to share with 3 &quot;peoples&quot;. While Jews accepted the idea to give up their inspiration to dominant the eastern bank in the 40th, the Arab Palestinians still don&#039;t except the very idea that Jews can live in a Jewish entity in some part of the western bank.

Arab Palestinian already has a state called Jordan. I don&#039;t see any hope in creating a small tiny second Arab state next to Jordan and Israel, rather than to keep the hostility alive in order to lengthy the battle until victory over the Jews and conquer  all Palestine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two states solution should contain all mandatory Palestine and it means also the eastern bank of Jordan River. Palestine is quite very small place to share with 3 &#8220;peoples&#8221;. While Jews accepted the idea to give up their inspiration to dominant the eastern bank in the 40th, the Arab Palestinians still don&#8217;t except the very idea that Jews can live in a Jewish entity in some part of the western bank.</p>
<p>Arab Palestinian already has a state called Jordan. I don&#8217;t see any hope in creating a small tiny second Arab state next to Jordan and Israel, rather than to keep the hostility alive in order to lengthy the battle until victory over the Jews and conquer  all Palestine.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe Bird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abe Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abunooralirlandee

The &quot;some Israelis&quot; who believe that the whole of the west bank should be part of Israel are not the majority and out of the coalition.  The &quot;some&quot; Palestinians that think and  they have voted for the HAMAS to lead them in their war against Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abunooralirlandee</p>
<p>The &#8220;some Israelis&#8221; who believe that the whole of the west bank should be part of Israel are not the majority and out of the coalition.  The &#8220;some&#8221; Palestinians that think and  they have voted for the HAMAS to lead them in their war against Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: george a. hilborn</title>
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		<dc:creator>george a. hilborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble with Buckley was that he was an Irish Catholic who had a built -in- bias against the professors at YALE where he went because they were mostly Jewish and blue blood protestants.Mr.Buckley was anti-semetic to the core.He was a big fan of Bishop Fulton Sheen and NewYork  Cardinal Spellman who thought Franco and Mussolini  walked on water.His claim to fame was pontificating which he was good at although it was99% BS

 The claim that Carter was responsible for the loss of Iran is &quot;clap trap&quot; Read ALLTHE SHAHS MEN, written by an American Jew.The overthrow of the legally elected government in Iran was the master plan of the American CIA and the British Secret Service .The lead guy was Kermit Roosevelt working for Allen Dulles and his British counterpart with  the blessing of Winston Churchill .They wanted to install the SHAH and get control of the oil from the Iranians; thus in 1953 this was acheived eventhough the Shah was reluctant but his ruthless sister wasn&#039;t.The government was controlled by the cruel uncontrolled secret police trained by CIA with blessing of the Eisenhower administration.In 1953 the religious &quot;nuts&quot; were a minor iritation but they became focal point for the Iranians&#039; quest to get their country out of the puppet government of the hands of theU.S.and Britain.So the religious extremists were accepted with open arms. Iran was lost long before Carter came on the stage Carter inherited Nixon&#039;s legacy which was not to interfer with the autocratic,corrupt government of Iran

Now to take issue with you on other issues :Herbert Hoover ( not of my party)  Mr. Hoover a humanitarian and a Quaker was raised in a free market economy and he believed that no eonomic problem could not be solved by the individual , but this country had never had a catastrophic collapse in its  history and didn&#039;t have any safety nets as we hopefully have now .So when you use the term&quot;lousy&quot; I can only think of one President who fits that term both as a human being and a chief executive(george w. bush)

Intellectuals  ,my,my, my, Albert Einstein   I think he changed the world forever.
 Intellectual  &quot;relating to the intellect&quot;&quot;rational rather than emotional&quot; &quot;appealing to engage the intellect&quot;

 Finally George Orwell A/K/A Mr.Blair;his real name.I suggest you read Paul Johnsons&#039;Intellectuals&#039; He has a whole chapter on Orwell ,not a nice guy. And my pacifist  relatives were attending the victims when they by were let in by the likes of Gen. George Patton who declared that the Jews in the concentration camps disgusted him because they let this happen to them( implying they were cowards) Never fear big mouth George got his when his &quot;limo&quot;got hit in the rear and he suffered a&quot;hangmans &quot; fracture at c2-c3 and died on a respirator</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble with Buckley was that he was an Irish Catholic who had a built -in- bias against the professors at YALE where he went because they were mostly Jewish and blue blood protestants.Mr.Buckley was anti-semetic to the core.He was a big fan of Bishop Fulton Sheen and NewYork  Cardinal Spellman who thought Franco and Mussolini  walked on water.His claim to fame was pontificating which he was good at although it was99% BS</p>
<p> The claim that Carter was responsible for the loss of Iran is &#8220;clap trap&#8221; Read ALLTHE SHAHS MEN, written by an American Jew.The overthrow of the legally elected government in Iran was the master plan of the American CIA and the British Secret Service .The lead guy was Kermit Roosevelt working for Allen Dulles and his British counterpart with  the blessing of Winston Churchill .They wanted to install the SHAH and get control of the oil from the Iranians; thus in 1953 this was acheived eventhough the Shah was reluctant but his ruthless sister wasn&#8217;t.The government was controlled by the cruel uncontrolled secret police trained by CIA with blessing of the Eisenhower administration.In 1953 the religious &#8220;nuts&#8221; were a minor iritation but they became focal point for the Iranians&#8217; quest to get their country out of the puppet government of the hands of theU.S.and Britain.So the religious extremists were accepted with open arms. Iran was lost long before Carter came on the stage Carter inherited Nixon&#8217;s legacy which was not to interfer with the autocratic,corrupt government of Iran</p>
<p>Now to take issue with you on other issues :Herbert Hoover ( not of my party)  Mr. Hoover a humanitarian and a Quaker was raised in a free market economy and he believed that no eonomic problem could not be solved by the individual , but this country had never had a catastrophic collapse in its  history and didn&#8217;t have any safety nets as we hopefully have now .So when you use the term&#8221;lousy&#8221; I can only think of one President who fits that term both as a human being and a chief executive(george w. bush)</p>
<p>Intellectuals  ,my,my, my, Albert Einstein   I think he changed the world forever.<br />
 Intellectual  &#8220;relating to the intellect&#8221;"rational rather than emotional&#8221; &#8220;appealing to engage the intellect&#8221;</p>
<p> Finally George Orwell A/K/A Mr.Blair;his real name.I suggest you read Paul Johnsons&#8217;Intellectuals&#8217; He has a whole chapter on Orwell ,not a nice guy. And my pacifist  relatives were attending the victims when they by were let in by the likes of Gen. George Patton who declared that the Jews in the concentration camps disgusted him because they let this happen to them( implying they were cowards) Never fear big mouth George got his when his &#8220;limo&#8221;got hit in the rear and he suffered a&#8221;hangmans &#8221; fracture at c2-c3 and died on a respirator</p>
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		<title>By: Obama, Carter and Meshaal: Campaign rhetoric v. policy &#171; South Jerusalem: Gershom Gorenberg and Haim Watzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama, Carter and Meshaal: Campaign rhetoric v. policy &#171; South Jerusalem: Gershom Gorenberg and Haim Watzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from a policy perspective, this is a mistake. As I wrote here yesterday, the current administration&#8217;s policy toward Hamas has boomeranged. The US supported Hamas [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Y. Ben-David</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2008/04/is-hamas-looking-for-a-two-state-solution-should-we-listen/comment-page-1/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Y. Ben-David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about Jimmy Carter&#039;s IQ, but Herbert Hoover was considered the smartest President ever. He was a brilliant mining engineer and an effective organizer of relief efforts in World War I and after. He translated a medieval book on mining from Latin into English. He was also a lousy President.

George Orwell wrote that if the &quot;intellectuals&quot; had been in charge of Britain in 1940, Britain would have surrendered to Nazi Germany. William F  Buckley said something like he would rather be governed by the first 50 names in the Boston phone directory than by 50 Professors at Harvard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about Jimmy Carter&#8217;s IQ, but Herbert Hoover was considered the smartest President ever. He was a brilliant mining engineer and an effective organizer of relief efforts in World War I and after. He translated a medieval book on mining from Latin into English. He was also a lousy President.</p>
<p>George Orwell wrote that if the &#8220;intellectuals&#8221; had been in charge of Britain in 1940, Britain would have surrendered to Nazi Germany. William F  Buckley said something like he would rather be governed by the first 50 names in the Boston phone directory than by 50 Professors at Harvard.</p>
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