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		<title>By: We Couldn&#8217;t Make Any of This Up</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2008/04/swimsuit-extras-pipes-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-7902</link>
		<dc:creator>We Couldn&#8217;t Make Any of This Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The bank has apologized. Readers are invited to let us know as soon as Daniel Pipes attacks the bank for imposing sharia law by allowing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Updates: Pipes&#8217; Pinocchios; Obama&#8217;s Gender; Undivided Jerusalem &#171; South Jerusalem: Gershom Gorenberg and Haim Watzman</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2008/04/swimsuit-extras-pipes-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-352</link>
		<dc:creator>Updates: Pipes&#8217; Pinocchios; Obama&#8217;s Gender; Undivided Jerusalem &#171; South Jerusalem: Gershom Gorenberg and Haim Watzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] three Pinocchios to conservative rottweiler Floyd Brown - and to his pseudo-academic alter ego, Daniel Pipes  - for promoting the canard was a Muslim as a child and is hiding the fact: &quot;Both Brown and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] three Pinocchios to conservative rottweiler Floyd Brown &#8211; and to his pseudo-academic alter ego, Daniel Pipes  &#8211; for promoting the canard was a Muslim as a child and is hiding the fact: &quot;Both Brown and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Now For Something Completely &#171; Wallwritings by James M. Wall</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2008/04/swimsuit-extras-pipes-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator>Now For Something Completely &#171; Wallwritings by James M. Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 19:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with a paisley design.&#8221;  With terror victorious, not only does a school teaching Arabic become a madrassa which necessarily means it teaches Islamic extremism, as Daniel Pipes believes, but a paisley [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with a paisley design.&#8221;  With terror victorious, not only does a school teaching Arabic become a madrassa which necessarily means it teaches Islamic extremism, as Daniel Pipes believes, but a paisley [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Now For Something Completely Different &#171; Wallwritings by James M. Wall</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2008/04/swimsuit-extras-pipes-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-350</link>
		<dc:creator>Now For Something Completely Different &#171; Wallwritings by James M. Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with a paisley design.&#8221;  With terror victorious, not only does a school teaching Arabic become a madrassa which necessarily means it teaches Islamic extremism, as Daniel Pipes believes , but a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with a paisley design.&#8221;  With terror victorious, not only does a school teaching Arabic become a madrassa which necessarily means it teaches Islamic extremism, as Daniel Pipes believes , but a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Onion Buys ABC News? &#171; South Jerusalem: Gershom Gorenberg and Haim Watzman</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2008/04/swimsuit-extras-pipes-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-349</link>
		<dc:creator>Onion Buys ABC News? &#171; South Jerusalem: Gershom Gorenberg and Haim Watzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 10:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] terror victorious, not only does a school teaching Arabic become a  madrassa  which necessarily means it teaches Islamic extremism, as Daniel Pipes believes , but a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Update: Pipes harms cranks&#8217; image &#171; South Jerusalem: Gershom Gorenberg and Haim Watzman</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2008/04/swimsuit-extras-pipes-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>Update: Pipes harms cranks&#8217; image &#171; South Jerusalem: Gershom Gorenberg and Haim Watzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 13:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] behind Pipes&#8217;s fixation is his fear - which I&#8217;ve discussed before - that Muslims will exploit the democratic process to infiltrate and destroy democracy. Much as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] behind Pipes&#8217;s fixation is his fear &#8211; which I&#8217;ve discussed before &#8211; that Muslims will exploit the democratic process to infiltrate and destroy democracy. Much as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Irfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 02:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pipes recently visited Australia for a debate on Islam and Democracy. He embarrassed the organisers by agreeding to have a speech he gave to a far-Right magazine published on the hawkish opinion page of a Murdoch-owned newspaper. You can read it here ...

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23539446-7583,00.html

My take on the debate can be seen here ...

http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20080415-Intelligence-Squared-debate.html

Pipes has also verballed an Australian human rights commissioner about guide dogs and taxi drivers in Sydney ...

http://planetirf.blogspot.com/2008/02/more-on-guide-dogs-and-cabbies.html

http://planetirf.blogspot.com/2008/02/daniel-pipes-caught-out-attributing.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pipes recently visited Australia for a debate on Islam and Democracy. He embarrassed the organisers by agreeding to have a speech he gave to a far-Right magazine published on the hawkish opinion page of a Murdoch-owned newspaper. You can read it here &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23539446-7583,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23539446-7583,00.html</a></p>
<p>My take on the debate can be seen here &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20080415-Intelligence-Squared-debate.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20080415-Intelligence-Squared-debate.html</a></p>
<p>Pipes has also verballed an Australian human rights commissioner about guide dogs and taxi drivers in Sydney &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://planetirf.blogspot.com/2008/02/more-on-guide-dogs-and-cabbies.html" rel="nofollow">http://planetirf.blogspot.com/2008/02/more-on-guide-dogs-and-cabbies.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://planetirf.blogspot.com/2008/02/daniel-pipes-caught-out-attributing.html" rel="nofollow">http://planetirf.blogspot.com/2008/02/daniel-pipes-caught-out-attributing.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 13:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problems in Europe, especially in London, point out the problems with gradually conceding rights, or bestowing special rights, upon a Muslim minority.

The fact that most Muslims are peaceful when they are tiny minority or an overwhelming majority does not lessen the tendency for Muslims to not assimilate, which, when combined with the violence in the Quran and the example of the life of their prophet, eventually leads to balkanization.

The average American has no problem with an Islamic organization opening a commercial enterprise that serves Muslims. However, when a tiny Muslim minority uses the legal system to foist their religion/culture/political ideology on the majority, hackles raise, especially if tax dollars are involved.

The liberal, secular, left in America worked long and hard to scrub all traces of Christianity from government, public schoools, and public areas in general, so concessions to Islam in the name of multiculturalism are often viewed as a preference of Islam over Christianity.

The other problem, in general and at this school in particular, is that often &#039;Arabic studies&#039; or &#039;Middle East studies&#039; involve faculty and textbooks that are drenched with Islamicism. It seems to be difficult, if not impossible, for Arabic and the Middle East studies to disentangle themselves from Quranic and Islamic studies, even though both the language and the region have thousands of years of pre-Islamic history that have essentially been erased from the consciousness of Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problems in Europe, especially in London, point out the problems with gradually conceding rights, or bestowing special rights, upon a Muslim minority.</p>
<p>The fact that most Muslims are peaceful when they are tiny minority or an overwhelming majority does not lessen the tendency for Muslims to not assimilate, which, when combined with the violence in the Quran and the example of the life of their prophet, eventually leads to balkanization.</p>
<p>The average American has no problem with an Islamic organization opening a commercial enterprise that serves Muslims. However, when a tiny Muslim minority uses the legal system to foist their religion/culture/political ideology on the majority, hackles raise, especially if tax dollars are involved.</p>
<p>The liberal, secular, left in America worked long and hard to scrub all traces of Christianity from government, public schoools, and public areas in general, so concessions to Islam in the name of multiculturalism are often viewed as a preference of Islam over Christianity.</p>
<p>The other problem, in general and at this school in particular, is that often &#8216;Arabic studies&#8217; or &#8216;Middle East studies&#8217; involve faculty and textbooks that are drenched with Islamicism. It seems to be difficult, if not impossible, for Arabic and the Middle East studies to disentangle themselves from Quranic and Islamic studies, even though both the language and the region have thousands of years of pre-Islamic history that have essentially been erased from the consciousness of Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 07:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have written a great deal about Debbie Almontaser &amp; the Pipesian attack on her and all Islam over the past yr or so.  It is a deeply disturbing phenomenon which the Jewish community, esp. in NY, has largely dealt w. in a terrible way.

THe NY Jewish federation, for example, is in full-scale retreat from dealing with any of these issues.  It signed on last yr as sponsor of The Other Israel film festival devoted to Israeli Arab cinema; and then demanded its logo be removed fr. promotional brochures after the Israeli consulate objected to the festival on the grounds that it singled out only one ethnic group rather than all of Israel.  One of the federation&#039;s rabbis signed on to Debbie Almontaser&#039;s support committee and then mysteriously abandoned it.  The same rabbi was scheduled as a keynote speaker at a Muslim-Jewish conference in NYC.  He cancelled his appearance.  I suspect that pressure from both the senior staff leadership &amp; lay leadership was behind this retreat.

Our Jewish leadership is abandoning its responsibility to lead in a constructive way.  That leaves the Pipeses, Horowitzes, (Marty) Peretzes &amp; Dershowitzes, and (Mort) Kleins of the Jewish world to fill the vacuum.

But yr paragraph above about Islamism as political ideology brilliantly critiques Pipes&#039; philosophy.  Thanks for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have written a great deal about Debbie Almontaser &amp; the Pipesian attack on her and all Islam over the past yr or so.  It is a deeply disturbing phenomenon which the Jewish community, esp. in NY, has largely dealt w. in a terrible way.</p>
<p>THe NY Jewish federation, for example, is in full-scale retreat from dealing with any of these issues.  It signed on last yr as sponsor of The Other Israel film festival devoted to Israeli Arab cinema; and then demanded its logo be removed fr. promotional brochures after the Israeli consulate objected to the festival on the grounds that it singled out only one ethnic group rather than all of Israel.  One of the federation&#8217;s rabbis signed on to Debbie Almontaser&#8217;s support committee and then mysteriously abandoned it.  The same rabbi was scheduled as a keynote speaker at a Muslim-Jewish conference in NYC.  He cancelled his appearance.  I suspect that pressure from both the senior staff leadership &amp; lay leadership was behind this retreat.</p>
<p>Our Jewish leadership is abandoning its responsibility to lead in a constructive way.  That leaves the Pipeses, Horowitzes, (Marty) Peretzes &amp; Dershowitzes, and (Mort) Kleins of the Jewish world to fill the vacuum.</p>
<p>But yr paragraph above about Islamism as political ideology brilliantly critiques Pipes&#8217; philosophy.  Thanks for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2008/04/swimsuit-extras-pipes-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am somewhat familiar with this kind of thinking from Pipes and others of his ilk. Basically it&#039;s like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, only for Muslims. How can someone with a PhD engage in such recklessly casual reasoning?

It&#039;s the same sort of demented logic that leads people to believe that &quot;the Jews&quot; are taking over the world: they list all the jewish CEOs in the entertainment industry and then conclude that it must be a grand jewish conspiracy to control the media.

Whether one agrees or dissagrees that Harvard should have female only pool hours to satisfy their muslim students, it is simply paranoid stupidity to interpret it as part of a clandestine operation to impose islamic law on America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am somewhat familiar with this kind of thinking from Pipes and others of his ilk. Basically it&#8217;s like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, only for Muslims. How can someone with a PhD engage in such recklessly casual reasoning?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same sort of demented logic that leads people to believe that &#8220;the Jews&#8221; are taking over the world: they list all the jewish CEOs in the entertainment industry and then conclude that it must be a grand jewish conspiracy to control the media.</p>
<p>Whether one agrees or dissagrees that Harvard should have female only pool hours to satisfy their muslim students, it is simply paranoid stupidity to interpret it as part of a clandestine operation to impose islamic law on America.</p>
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