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	<title>Comments on: Black and White and Jew All Over: Eric L. Goldstein&#8217;s &#8220;The Price of Whiteness&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Tel Aviv Ennui: Yael Hedaya&#8217;s &#8220;Accidents&#8221; &#171; South Jerusalem: Gershom Gorenberg and Haim Watzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tel Aviv Ennui: Yael Hedaya&#8217;s &#8220;Accidents&#8221; &#171; South Jerusalem: Gershom Gorenberg and Haim Watzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 12:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Black and White and Jew All Over: Eric L. Goldstein&#8217;s &#8220;The Price of Whiteness&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: berger</title>
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		<dc:creator>berger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 01:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a different set of forces&quot;...?  Do you see Israeli Jewish identity as being a-racial?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a different set of forces&#8221;&#8230;?  Do you see Israeli Jewish identity as being a-racial?</p>
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		<title>By: Clif</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 20:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Identity is a fascinating subject - each of us wants distinction as an individual and for those who are on the divide with parents of different ethnic/race groups there is a choice to be made.

Obama is no more black than he is white, but he chooses to be identified as black. &quot;White&quot; is such an amalgam that it offers no distinction in itself. At one time that was very much desired so to &quot;pass&quot; was a ticket to success and something to be kept a deep secret - a main theme of that remarkable musical &lt;i&gt;Showboat&lt;/i&gt;. But these days ethnic distinction is prized so the tide has turned in the other direction. How many whites proudly claim to have a native-American in their ancestry?

I think a big reason for the success of Jews in so many fields is the fact that the individual is prized, exemplified by the way the individual at a bar or bat mitzvah is invited to hold forth on what he or she thinks before the congregation. The whole thrust is &quot;you are valuable as yourself, but responsible to others&quot; If that is integral to the psyche then what amazing things are possible! So many Jews stood up to defend blacks legally in the bad old days and what a perfect way to assert the self and also responsibility to society! Self-doubt and insecurity are our worst enemies. Identification with a group of any kind is an attempt to put insecurity at bay but that association with a group in itself is not enough.

In the movie &lt;i&gt;Dumbo&lt;/i&gt;, the racially stereotyped crows spoke the truth to Dumbo when they said &quot;You&#039;ve got to BELIEVE you can fly!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Identity is a fascinating subject &#8211; each of us wants distinction as an individual and for those who are on the divide with parents of different ethnic/race groups there is a choice to be made.</p>
<p>Obama is no more black than he is white, but he chooses to be identified as black. &#8220;White&#8221; is such an amalgam that it offers no distinction in itself. At one time that was very much desired so to &#8220;pass&#8221; was a ticket to success and something to be kept a deep secret &#8211; a main theme of that remarkable musical <i>Showboat</i>. But these days ethnic distinction is prized so the tide has turned in the other direction. How many whites proudly claim to have a native-American in their ancestry?</p>
<p>I think a big reason for the success of Jews in so many fields is the fact that the individual is prized, exemplified by the way the individual at a bar or bat mitzvah is invited to hold forth on what he or she thinks before the congregation. The whole thrust is &#8220;you are valuable as yourself, but responsible to others&#8221; If that is integral to the psyche then what amazing things are possible! So many Jews stood up to defend blacks legally in the bad old days and what a perfect way to assert the self and also responsibility to society! Self-doubt and insecurity are our worst enemies. Identification with a group of any kind is an attempt to put insecurity at bay but that association with a group in itself is not enough.</p>
<p>In the movie <i>Dumbo</i>, the racially stereotyped crows spoke the truth to Dumbo when they said &#8220;You&#8217;ve got to BELIEVE you can fly!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haim, your discussion of jewishness and whiteness is pretty interesting. I think you should follow it up with a discussion of jewishness and &#039;arabness&#039;.

Isn&#039;t it ironic that in America I certainly can&#039;t say &#039;Haim isn&#039;t white, he&#039;s jewish&#039;, but in Israel it is perfectly acceptable to say &#039;Haim isn&#039;t arab, he&#039;s jewish&#039;, even if Haim came from an arab country, spoke arabic and had a darker skin tone.

As you pointed out, these boundaries between self identifying groups, such as whites, jews and arabs, are synthetic and artificial constructs, and the reasons behind group inclussion or exclussion are political rather than scientific.

So what&#039;s the story behind jewish and arab mutual exclusivity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haim, your discussion of jewishness and whiteness is pretty interesting. I think you should follow it up with a discussion of jewishness and &#8216;arabness&#8217;.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it ironic that in America I certainly can&#8217;t say &#8216;Haim isn&#8217;t white, he&#8217;s jewish&#8217;, but in Israel it is perfectly acceptable to say &#8216;Haim isn&#8217;t arab, he&#8217;s jewish&#8217;, even if Haim came from an arab country, spoke arabic and had a darker skin tone.</p>
<p>As you pointed out, these boundaries between self identifying groups, such as whites, jews and arabs, are synthetic and artificial constructs, and the reasons behind group inclussion or exclussion are political rather than scientific.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the story behind jewish and arab mutual exclusivity?</p>
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		<title>By: george a. hilborn</title>
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		<dc:creator>george a. hilborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting I am an example of the prototypical white anglo/ saxon ,tracing the family back in this country to 1657. Then I upset the applecart by marrying a girl whose paternal grandfather was a Jew from Minsk Russia,paternal grandmother was a German Lutheran from Cleveland, a maternal grandfather from Parma,Italy and a maternal grandmother who was from somewhere in Ireland(both Roman Catholics) Two of my children have married a Philipino American and a second generation Chinese American respectively. So there isn&#039;t much room for identity ;thus it is with some difficulty that I view the Jewish conundrum.So I must view my little family as American multi-racial and hope I have instilled what it means to be an American sans lapel pin.Race has no meaning to me as the importance of skin color pigmentation. It is only important to those who want to say &quot; look I&#039;m different than you&quot; to wit I say;so what!
My children and grandchildren should be proud of their heritage but in the end and over time we are all going to be end products of a greater racial and ethnic pool</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting I am an example of the prototypical white anglo/ saxon ,tracing the family back in this country to 1657. Then I upset the applecart by marrying a girl whose paternal grandfather was a Jew from Minsk Russia,paternal grandmother was a German Lutheran from Cleveland, a maternal grandfather from Parma,Italy and a maternal grandmother who was from somewhere in Ireland(both Roman Catholics) Two of my children have married a Philipino American and a second generation Chinese American respectively. So there isn&#8217;t much room for identity ;thus it is with some difficulty that I view the Jewish conundrum.So I must view my little family as American multi-racial and hope I have instilled what it means to be an American sans lapel pin.Race has no meaning to me as the importance of skin color pigmentation. It is only important to those who want to say &#8221; look I&#8217;m different than you&#8221; to wit I say;so what!<br />
My children and grandchildren should be proud of their heritage but in the end and over time we are all going to be end products of a greater racial and ethnic pool</p>
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