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		<title>By: bob w.</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob w.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt if Hagee hates the Jews, but neverthless many Jews already believe in Jesus/Yeshua and there are at least three TV programs that I know of led by those of this background who are now what is commonly known as &quot;Messianic Jewish&quot;.
If indeed Jesus is the Jew&#039;s long awaited messiah (and that&#039;s where strong disagreement comes in) then a conversion would be a fulfillment, not an assimilation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt if Hagee hates the Jews, but neverthless many Jews already believe in Jesus/Yeshua and there are at least three TV programs that I know of led by those of this background who are now what is commonly known as &#8220;Messianic Jewish&#8221;.<br />
If indeed Jesus is the Jew&#8217;s long awaited messiah (and that&#8217;s where strong disagreement comes in) then a conversion would be a fulfillment, not an assimilation.</p>
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		<title>By: the non conformer</title>
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		<dc:creator>the non conformer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the Bible says is not the same as what the preacher says still too often

not one New testament verse had predicted the return of the Jews to Israel  in 1948 means the Jews are still doing their own thing</description>
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<p>not one New testament verse had predicted the return of the Jews to Israel  in 1948 means the Jews are still doing their own thing</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have any of you people actually read the Bible? If you read Daniel and Revelation, it clearly outlines the end-time events, specifically Revelation. If you choose to ignore what God has given you to read, that&#039;s your choice. This is not about anybody hating or trying to undermine the Jewish people. It&#039;s not about fulfilling anyone&#039;s personal agenda.  It is about what God has said would happen. All John Hagee, and others like him, are trying to do is bring awareness to what is taught from God&#039;s Word. And, just as a side-bar, the refusal of the Jewish people to believe it is also written about in there. If you don&#039;t believe it, go read it for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have any of you people actually read the Bible? If you read Daniel and Revelation, it clearly outlines the end-time events, specifically Revelation. If you choose to ignore what God has given you to read, that&#8217;s your choice. This is not about anybody hating or trying to undermine the Jewish people. It&#8217;s not about fulfilling anyone&#8217;s personal agenda.  It is about what God has said would happen. All John Hagee, and others like him, are trying to do is bring awareness to what is taught from God&#8217;s Word. And, just as a side-bar, the refusal of the Jewish people to believe it is also written about in there. If you don&#8217;t believe it, go read it for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: thenonconformer</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2008/05/hagee-mccain-aipac-the-audacity-of-cynicism/comment-page-1/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>thenonconformer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John McCain was shocked, shocked to know that there were horrid thoughts going on around Rev. Hagee and so was Rev Hagee now as well.. but I do not understand why? After all what makes any of these persons think they are God&#039;s, not subject to the citizen&#039;s reproach?

”Keep State &amp; Church separate, or they will intertwine and once they are merged, vice enters and corruption begins” ?  “And I agree, 100% of all Churches too  should be investigated as should all politicians (those who govern/lead through laws) even in regards to what, if any, “crossovers” have occurred that are violations of State law.”

Some people think that  Separation of Church and State politics, is the main issue that  will help to stop the acts of much too many bad guys in politics and religion.. There are bad guys, bad Ministers now too  continually in or out of relgion in fact.

Separation of Church and State politics, and related corruption is just a very small small portion, issue.. Rather all major perversions, corruptions by anyone, politicians, priests, pastors are,  is unacceptable anywhere and at anytime too. For both politicians, Pastors and cops all civil and public servants too are here to help look after the good welfare of the citizens and if they are not doing that JOB NOW properly they all should be helped to become unemployed for sure BY THEIR CORRUPTIONS, ABUSES BEING EXPOSED TO ALL..

Religious or not is not the issue.. but the second law of engineering thermodynamics is, energy goes from a higher level to a lower level, it degenerates, meaning even water unrestrained flows downhill, or 30 percent of all people need to be put into a real jail it seems before they will stop their wrong doings and start to do good.. reality.. for self supervision or self regulation does not work, crudely it is just masturbation.. In reality too many people left on their own will continue to cheat, lies, steal, abuse others, the pastors and cops, politicians included now. They all need to be regulated, supervised by the governments and some now rightfully even arrested too. A man’s enemies, bullies and thieves will be those persons even from his own family are still a reality too.

The really bad persons unless they are exposed, punished will likely never change for the good on their own in fact? Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty works best for everyone. Now I have been writing letters to news editors, governments. for that is part of their job now too, and I have helped in exposing the bad guys and the bad corporations for decades too and thus rightfully helping to get rightfully deal with some of the really unacceptable bad guys and so should we all..

Us Senator John McCain  had fallen under condemnation by the news media for accepting the endorsement of Rev John Hagee . Wikipedia describes “John C. Hagee [as] the founder and senior pastor of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, a non-denominational charismatic church with more than 19,000 active members.”

Rev John Hagee clearly states that he is not anti catholic or antigay but he is Anti Semitism and he is working on behalf of Israel and this highlights his belief.. but his dispensational theology support of Israel are not substantiated by the New Testament still. God loves both Jew and Arab as well as all of the Gentiles.

The criticism of Rev Hagee, right or wrong is just the tip of the iceberg of discontentment against too many so called Christian pastors in America.  I know I pastored a church for a few years, and in the last 50 years I have encountered too many many mostly bad pastors, and 70 percent of evangelical pastors have admitted they had committed adultery and they even do counsel divorce for a start. The false misappropriation of funds in many churches in north America is so common so I had rightfully asked even the US government to investigate all of the churches- Pentecostal, Catholic, Baptist for their possible misappropriation of funds equally, annually in fact months ago too.

For a start most churches ask you to the, give ten percent of your income to the church, but tithing is also an old testament concept and not enforceable in the new testament. In the old testament the tithers, and those who received the tithers had to insure that 1/7 of the donations were given to the local poor people. So I asked any church that advocated tithe that they prove as well they have kept this Biblical requirements, for almost none do it for it start. On top of that any clergy receiving tithing in the old testament was not allowed to own any real estate , tangible property too. If you are going to preach the law here on tithing too, then you yourself should observe all of it, not just mostly steal the tithe.

It seems these days Pastors, cops, politicians, Ministers tend to be still next equally all bad if left on their own, unsupervised?
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/who-is-next/

And  Jesus never sold one Sermon of his, nor the Apostles… so I rightfully cannot stand those greedy, money lusting charlatans who clearly try to make money by selling Christian literature, tapes, music, or what ever on the subject of Prophecy, healing, etc., .. and no matter what their excuses are now too.. Jesus said as you have freely received so freely give. And that is what I have done the last 4 decades too… and so should we all, trusting in the Faith for God to supply our needs, not begging for money, or wrongfully stealing by pretending to be a non profitable tax exempt corporation, organization basically so not to pay taxes as well.. How greedy can you get and pretend it to be Christian now too is the game many wrongfully play too even pastors….

Now there is another common scam I do not like, groups, churches who often choose a valid cause, since the best way to catch fish, suckers is with live bait, and then do next do ask for related donations, money.. this advertised cause tends to be rather an inefficient  self employment creation, and is not a real public services.. for to get most complaints, issues handled properly all you do generally have to do is to post it firstly on the net, and also write to the News media  with copies to the   elected officals

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/seperation-of-the-state-and-church/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John McCain was shocked, shocked to know that there were horrid thoughts going on around Rev. Hagee and so was Rev Hagee now as well.. but I do not understand why? After all what makes any of these persons think they are God&#8217;s, not subject to the citizen&#8217;s reproach?</p>
<p>”Keep State &amp; Church separate, or they will intertwine and once they are merged, vice enters and corruption begins” ?  “And I agree, 100% of all Churches too  should be investigated as should all politicians (those who govern/lead through laws) even in regards to what, if any, “crossovers” have occurred that are violations of State law.”</p>
<p>Some people think that  Separation of Church and State politics, is the main issue that  will help to stop the acts of much too many bad guys in politics and religion.. There are bad guys, bad Ministers now too  continually in or out of relgion in fact.</p>
<p>Separation of Church and State politics, and related corruption is just a very small small portion, issue.. Rather all major perversions, corruptions by anyone, politicians, priests, pastors are,  is unacceptable anywhere and at anytime too. For both politicians, Pastors and cops all civil and public servants too are here to help look after the good welfare of the citizens and if they are not doing that JOB NOW properly they all should be helped to become unemployed for sure BY THEIR CORRUPTIONS, ABUSES BEING EXPOSED TO ALL..</p>
<p>Religious or not is not the issue.. but the second law of engineering thermodynamics is, energy goes from a higher level to a lower level, it degenerates, meaning even water unrestrained flows downhill, or 30 percent of all people need to be put into a real jail it seems before they will stop their wrong doings and start to do good.. reality.. for self supervision or self regulation does not work, crudely it is just masturbation.. In reality too many people left on their own will continue to cheat, lies, steal, abuse others, the pastors and cops, politicians included now. They all need to be regulated, supervised by the governments and some now rightfully even arrested too. A man’s enemies, bullies and thieves will be those persons even from his own family are still a reality too.</p>
<p>The really bad persons unless they are exposed, punished will likely never change for the good on their own in fact? Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty works best for everyone. Now I have been writing letters to news editors, governments. for that is part of their job now too, and I have helped in exposing the bad guys and the bad corporations for decades too and thus rightfully helping to get rightfully deal with some of the really unacceptable bad guys and so should we all..</p>
<p>Us Senator John McCain  had fallen under condemnation by the news media for accepting the endorsement of Rev John Hagee . Wikipedia describes “John C. Hagee [as] the founder and senior pastor of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, a non-denominational charismatic church with more than 19,000 active members.”</p>
<p>Rev John Hagee clearly states that he is not anti catholic or antigay but he is Anti Semitism and he is working on behalf of Israel and this highlights his belief.. but his dispensational theology support of Israel are not substantiated by the New Testament still. God loves both Jew and Arab as well as all of the Gentiles.</p>
<p>The criticism of Rev Hagee, right or wrong is just the tip of the iceberg of discontentment against too many so called Christian pastors in America.  I know I pastored a church for a few years, and in the last 50 years I have encountered too many many mostly bad pastors, and 70 percent of evangelical pastors have admitted they had committed adultery and they even do counsel divorce for a start. The false misappropriation of funds in many churches in north America is so common so I had rightfully asked even the US government to investigate all of the churches- Pentecostal, Catholic, Baptist for their possible misappropriation of funds equally, annually in fact months ago too.</p>
<p>For a start most churches ask you to the, give ten percent of your income to the church, but tithing is also an old testament concept and not enforceable in the new testament. In the old testament the tithers, and those who received the tithers had to insure that 1/7 of the donations were given to the local poor people. So I asked any church that advocated tithe that they prove as well they have kept this Biblical requirements, for almost none do it for it start. On top of that any clergy receiving tithing in the old testament was not allowed to own any real estate , tangible property too. If you are going to preach the law here on tithing too, then you yourself should observe all of it, not just mostly steal the tithe.</p>
<p>It seems these days Pastors, cops, politicians, Ministers tend to be still next equally all bad if left on their own, unsupervised?<br />
<a href="http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/who-is-next/" rel="nofollow">http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/who-is-next/</a></p>
<p>And  Jesus never sold one Sermon of his, nor the Apostles… so I rightfully cannot stand those greedy, money lusting charlatans who clearly try to make money by selling Christian literature, tapes, music, or what ever on the subject of Prophecy, healing, etc., .. and no matter what their excuses are now too.. Jesus said as you have freely received so freely give. And that is what I have done the last 4 decades too… and so should we all, trusting in the Faith for God to supply our needs, not begging for money, or wrongfully stealing by pretending to be a non profitable tax exempt corporation, organization basically so not to pay taxes as well.. How greedy can you get and pretend it to be Christian now too is the game many wrongfully play too even pastors….</p>
<p>Now there is another common scam I do not like, groups, churches who often choose a valid cause, since the best way to catch fish, suckers is with live bait, and then do next do ask for related donations, money.. this advertised cause tends to be rather an inefficient  self employment creation, and is not a real public services.. for to get most complaints, issues handled properly all you do generally have to do is to post it firstly on the net, and also write to the News media  with copies to the   elected officals</p>
<p><a href="http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/seperation-of-the-state-and-church/" rel="nofollow">http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/seperation-of-the-state-and-church/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 19:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Ben-David, Arafat is now dead, but Hagee is still alive - and is being given enthusiastic support by Joe Lieberman and other leaders of the American Jewish community. The topic under discussion is not Syria or Olmert, but Hagee and other American preachers like him.

A couple of years ago David Harris (American Jewish Committee exec. director) came to speak in Ithaca, and I asked him about the embrace by community leaders of people like Hagee, because I was concerned that we should not be getting into bed with people who sought our death or conversion in their end-times scenario. He basically said that he didn&#039;t worry about that, what he cared about was their support of Israel. That struck me as an amazingly short-sighted response. Shouldn&#039;t we care about the motives of people who supposedly support Israel? Shouldn&#039;t we care about the role we&#039;re supposed to play in their end-time scenario?

What if Israel did decide to hand back the West Bank to the Palestinians? Or the Golan to Syria? Aside from the question of whether Israel should in fact do those things, what do you think Hagee&#039;s response would be to those actions? Would he continue to support Israel? I somehow doubt it, because it would mean that Israel is failing to live up to his end-time scenario.

I think the leaders of Israel should make decisions about Israel&#039;s future based on what they think is best for Israel, not based on the ravings of someone like Hagee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Ben-David, Arafat is now dead, but Hagee is still alive &#8211; and is being given enthusiastic support by Joe Lieberman and other leaders of the American Jewish community. The topic under discussion is not Syria or Olmert, but Hagee and other American preachers like him.</p>
<p>A couple of years ago David Harris (American Jewish Committee exec. director) came to speak in Ithaca, and I asked him about the embrace by community leaders of people like Hagee, because I was concerned that we should not be getting into bed with people who sought our death or conversion in their end-times scenario. He basically said that he didn&#8217;t worry about that, what he cared about was their support of Israel. That struck me as an amazingly short-sighted response. Shouldn&#8217;t we care about the motives of people who supposedly support Israel? Shouldn&#8217;t we care about the role we&#8217;re supposed to play in their end-time scenario?</p>
<p>What if Israel did decide to hand back the West Bank to the Palestinians? Or the Golan to Syria? Aside from the question of whether Israel should in fact do those things, what do you think Hagee&#8217;s response would be to those actions? Would he continue to support Israel? I somehow doubt it, because it would mean that Israel is failing to live up to his end-time scenario.</p>
<p>I think the leaders of Israel should make decisions about Israel&#8217;s future based on what they think is best for Israel, not based on the ravings of someone like Hagee.</p>
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		<title>By: george a. hilborn</title>
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		<dc:creator>george a. hilborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 14:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Ben David: Your just plain twisted. Arafat is dead , this is about a &quot;hater&quot; still going around appearing before Pro- Israel groups in the United States. Sending 6 million dollars to the settlement people in Israel. Churchill promised the British &quot;nothing but blood ,sweat, and tears&quot; I don&#039;t think Ben-Gurion thought there be 60 years of it. I don&#039;t think hate-mongering from any group should be overlooked even that put out by certain Israeli groups.

 On another point 3 billion of our tax dollars go to Israel every year with no strings which I am in agreement with except the &quot; no strings attached&quot;.It&#039;s my money too; thus , it is a cost and I want some sort of accounting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Ben David: Your just plain twisted. Arafat is dead , this is about a &#8220;hater&#8221; still going around appearing before Pro- Israel groups in the United States. Sending 6 million dollars to the settlement people in Israel. Churchill promised the British &#8220;nothing but blood ,sweat, and tears&#8221; I don&#8217;t think Ben-Gurion thought there be 60 years of it. I don&#8217;t think hate-mongering from any group should be overlooked even that put out by certain Israeli groups.</p>
<p> On another point 3 billion of our tax dollars go to Israel every year with no strings which I am in agreement with except the &#8221; no strings attached&#8221;.It&#8217;s my money too; thus , it is a cost and I want some sort of accounting.</p>
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		<title>By: Hagee, McCain, Aipac: The Audacity of Cynicism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hagee, McCain, Aipac: The Audacity of Cynicism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 11:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Y. Ben-David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Y. Ben-David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 08:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yasser Arafat, whom Leah Rabin called &quot;a family friend&quot;, and Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres called &quot;our peace partner&quot;, had his government-controlled media call Jews &quot;decendents of pigs and monkeys&quot; and recruited Palestinians to be suicide bombers, (again, I am referring to Arafat&#039;s government-controlled media which only sent out information and messages that he approved of).  Arafat sat in a mosque in Gaza and, in his presence, the Imam said it is the religious duty of every good Muslim to kill Jews.  Mike Wallace of the &quot;60 Minutes&quot; television program confronted Arafat with this and Arafat&#039;s reply was &quot;I wasn&#039;t listening&quot;, even though in the Arab world, no preacher in a mosque would ever say anything that contradicted goverment policy, particularly in the presence of the &quot;rais&quot;.

Right now, Syrian goverment-controlled media is saying the same things about Jews and Israel and yet Olmert now is offering the Golan Heights to him and many &quot;Progressives&quot; are cheering him on.

So why is Hagee unacceptable to &quot;Progressives&quot;, but Arafat&#039;s hate-mongering was overlooked by these same people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yasser Arafat, whom Leah Rabin called &#8220;a family friend&#8221;, and Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres called &#8220;our peace partner&#8221;, had his government-controlled media call Jews &#8220;decendents of pigs and monkeys&#8221; and recruited Palestinians to be suicide bombers, (again, I am referring to Arafat&#8217;s government-controlled media which only sent out information and messages that he approved of).  Arafat sat in a mosque in Gaza and, in his presence, the Imam said it is the religious duty of every good Muslim to kill Jews.  Mike Wallace of the &#8220;60 Minutes&#8221; television program confronted Arafat with this and Arafat&#8217;s reply was &#8220;I wasn&#8217;t listening&#8221;, even though in the Arab world, no preacher in a mosque would ever say anything that contradicted goverment policy, particularly in the presence of the &#8220;rais&#8221;.</p>
<p>Right now, Syrian goverment-controlled media is saying the same things about Jews and Israel and yet Olmert now is offering the Golan Heights to him and many &#8220;Progressives&#8221; are cheering him on.</p>
<p>So why is Hagee unacceptable to &#8220;Progressives&#8221;, but Arafat&#8217;s hate-mongering was overlooked by these same people?</p>
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