Comments on: Waltz With Unbearable Memory http://southjerusalem.com/2008/08/waltz-with-unbearable-memory/ A Progressive, Skeptical Blog on Israel, Judaism, Culture, Politics, and Literature Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:35:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Col. Gibli, He Dead. (Dirty business lives on.) http://southjerusalem.com/2008/08/waltz-with-unbearable-memory/comment-page-1/#comment-1415 Col. Gibli, He Dead. (Dirty business lives on.) Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:23:05 +0000 http://southjerusalem.com/?p=264#comment-1415 [...] Gibli isn’t the strongest example. That dishonor surely belongs to Ariel Sharon (more on him here, and see my book, The Accidental Empire, on Sharon’s role in expelling thousands of Beduin [...] [...] Gibli isn’t the strongest example. That dishonor surely belongs to Ariel Sharon (more on him here, and see my book, The Accidental Empire, on Sharon’s role in expelling thousands of Beduin [...]

]]> By: http://kacouy.blog.lemonde.fr http://southjerusalem.com/2008/08/waltz-with-unbearable-memory/comment-page-1/#comment-1336 http://kacouy.blog.lemonde.fr Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:22:34 +0000 http://southjerusalem.com/?p=264#comment-1336 This movie is ++ and I'm surprised that he did not get any award at Cannes 2008. Cheers Daniel This movie is ++ and I’m surprised that he did not get any award at Cannes 2008.
Cheers
Daniel

]]> By: chn http://southjerusalem.com/2008/08/waltz-with-unbearable-memory/comment-page-1/#comment-1292 chn Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:15:21 +0000 http://southjerusalem.com/?p=264#comment-1292 "... it is interesting how Sharon has managed to shake off the stigma of Sabra and Shatilla, and the Lebanon I War, in general." How did you reach this conclusion? Perhaps you are so preoccupied with "Gush Katif and the political Right" that you no longer associate Sharon with Sabra and Shatilla or Lebanon (if you ever did), but you are pretty much alone on that one. Sharon will never, ever "shake off" that association, mostly because it belongs squarely on his shoulders. “… it is interesting how Sharon has managed to shake off the stigma of Sabra and Shatilla, and the Lebanon I War, in general.”

How did you reach this conclusion? Perhaps you are so preoccupied with “Gush Katif and the political Right” that you no longer associate Sharon with Sabra and Shatilla or Lebanon (if you ever did), but you are pretty much alone on that one. Sharon will never, ever “shake off” that association, mostly because it belongs squarely on his shoulders.

]]> By: Ahuvah http://southjerusalem.com/2008/08/waltz-with-unbearable-memory/comment-page-1/#comment-1285 Ahuvah Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:21:39 +0000 http://southjerusalem.com/?p=264#comment-1285 I saw the movie and was blown away by it. I have shared with anyone who will listen that this movie is a "must see". Your article is thought provoking and wonderful. I saw the movie and was blown away by it. I have shared with anyone who will listen that this movie is a “must see”. Your article is thought provoking and wonderful.

]]> By: Y. Ben-David http://southjerusalem.com/2008/08/waltz-with-unbearable-memory/comment-page-1/#comment-1276 Y. Ben-David Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:06:44 +0000 http://southjerusalem.com/?p=264#comment-1276 First, to set the record straight...it is a myth that there were 400,000 people at the demonstration. A few years ago I saw a newspaper article telling how people got aerial photographs of the demonstration, seeing the extent of it down the side streets. They then measured the area and determined how many people could stand in a square meter. They came to the conclusion that there were something like 50,000 people there. It certainly was a large demonstration, one of the largest in the country's history, but there weren't 400,000 there. There have been other demonstrations since then that got as many, if not more, including demonstrations against the Oslo accords, against giving up the Golan Heights and against destroyting Gush Katif. That number was made up for the press by the organizers to impress everyone, and it worked, it has even managed to get into history books, which just proves how one should be careful when reading things are supposed to be "accurate". Secondly, it is interesting how Sharon has managed to shake off the stigma of Sabra and Shatilla, and the Lebanon I War, in general. Actually it was quite simple. He destroyed Gush Katif and the political Right, and so for "progressives", sticking it to the YESHA settlers overrides any other crimes, including the needless deaths of both Israeli soldiers and Arabs, he committed. It all comes down to politics, not "morality". First, to set the record straight…it is a myth that there were 400,000 people at the demonstration. A few years ago I saw a newspaper article telling how people got aerial photographs of the demonstration, seeing the extent of it down the side streets. They then measured the area and determined how many people could stand in a square meter. They came to the conclusion that there were something like 50,000 people there. It certainly was a large demonstration, one of the largest in the country’s history, but there weren’t 400,000 there. There have been other demonstrations since then that got as many, if not more, including demonstrations against the Oslo accords, against giving up the Golan Heights and against destroyting Gush Katif. That number was made up for the press by the organizers to impress everyone, and it worked, it has even managed to get into history books, which just proves how one should be careful when reading things are supposed to be “accurate”.

Secondly, it is interesting how Sharon has managed to shake off the stigma of Sabra and Shatilla, and the Lebanon I War, in general. Actually it was quite simple. He destroyed Gush Katif and the political Right, and so for “progressives”, sticking it to the YESHA settlers overrides any other crimes, including the needless deaths of both Israeli soldiers and Arabs, he committed. It all comes down to politics, not “morality”.

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