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		<title>By: george a.hilborn</title>
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		<dc:creator>george a.hilborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Mc Cain should have been the Republican&#039;s candidate in 2000 when he was more prone to have a mind of his own and not in league with the faustian right. The last few weeks have shown a old man who has lost it and his disasterous gaffs and illogical strategies hav e knocked the wheels off the &quot;double talk express&quot;. The annointing of Sarah Palin is blowing up in his face if polls are to be believed regarding her unfavorable ratings and his drop in the overall ratings. What should concern all Americans of all political stripes is the Karl Rove sponsored continued use of patently false racial advertisements and other slimy tactics. He used the same stuff on McCain in 2000 ,alas how soon we forget America has a deep seeded history of racial intolerance ; this is why polls mean nothing at this point.What frightens me more than anything is if the election is won by McCain because the same criminal activity by the Republicans in Ohio and Florida,I guarantee you that there will be mass killing and rioting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Mc Cain should have been the Republican&#8217;s candidate in 2000 when he was more prone to have a mind of his own and not in league with the faustian right. The last few weeks have shown a old man who has lost it and his disasterous gaffs and illogical strategies hav e knocked the wheels off the &#8220;double talk express&#8221;. The annointing of Sarah Palin is blowing up in his face if polls are to be believed regarding her unfavorable ratings and his drop in the overall ratings. What should concern all Americans of all political stripes is the Karl Rove sponsored continued use of patently false racial advertisements and other slimy tactics. He used the same stuff on McCain in 2000 ,alas how soon we forget America has a deep seeded history of racial intolerance ; this is why polls mean nothing at this point.What frightens me more than anything is if the election is won by McCain because the same criminal activity by the Republicans in Ohio and Florida,I guarantee you that there will be mass killing and rioting</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3606188,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  Israeli generals duped into supporting Obama&lt;/a&gt;

&#039;Pure and simple deceit,&#039; says enraged Uzi Dayan of American Jewish group that told him and other top Israeli figures they were being interviewed for documentary on Mideast challenges and found themselves touted as Obama supporters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3606188,00.html" rel="nofollow">  Israeli generals duped into supporting Obama</a></p>
<p>&#8216;Pure and simple deceit,&#8217; says enraged Uzi Dayan of American Jewish group that told him and other top Israeli figures they were being interviewed for documentary on Mideast challenges and found themselves touted as Obama supporters</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2008/10/israelis-for-obama-now-the-movie/comment-page-1/#comment-3052</link>
		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I am frightened by videos like this one and I intend to vote for Obama. The power of emotion is incredible. I could not watch without feeling a rush. I believe humans are driven by the rush no matter how much they claim rationality.&lt;/i&gt;

Frightened by the emotions it sets free? I think that&#039;s it&#039;s point.  Should  I feel shame for the tears?

Anything is better than that&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ips.org/blog/jimlobe/?p=193&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this mindset wins again.&lt;/a&gt;

Strictly I prefer tears from laughter too,  watch &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vanityfair.com/online/wolcott/2008/10/like-many-of-you-i.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;especially the end.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am frightened by videos like this one and I intend to vote for Obama. The power of emotion is incredible. I could not watch without feeling a rush. I believe humans are driven by the rush no matter how much they claim rationality.</i></p>
<p>Frightened by the emotions it sets free? I think that&#8217;s it&#8217;s point.  Should  I feel shame for the tears?</p>
<p>Anything is better than that<a href="http://www.ips.org/blog/jimlobe/?p=193" rel="nofollow"> this mindset wins again.</a></p>
<p>Strictly I prefer tears from laughter too,  watch <a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/online/wolcott/2008/10/like-many-of-you-i.html" rel="nofollow">especially the end.</a></p>
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		<title>By: aliyah06</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2008/10/israelis-for-obama-now-the-movie/comment-page-1/#comment-3036</link>
		<dc:creator>aliyah06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now the video&#039;s endorsements appear to be fraudulently obtained, according to the interviewed.....this doesn&#039;t do much to inspire faith in Obama.

I don&#039;t like Obama. It has nothing to do with Israel, his middle name, national security or that he&#039;s black. If looks alone counted, he&#039;s got McCain beat -- he&#039;s young, handsome, sexy and articulate.

He&#039;s also been running for President since his &quot;community activist&quot; days; he taylors his speeches to his audiences and changes his positions to fit his needs of the moment; his earmarks have gone to his wife&#039;s hospital as payback for her obscenely gigantic raise; other earmarks have gone to his lobbyist lawyer pals; his mortgage comes from another Chicago pal who both sits on the hospital board with Michelle and gave the Obamas a $1.3 million mortgage.

This is not &quot;Change.&quot; This is politics-as-usual.

His slogan of &quot;change&quot; is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. He is a politician from the heart of the Chicago political machine, and that he will say anything to get elected. Morally, he is an empty suit.

He will do nothing to advance the peace process.  

I don&#039;t like McCain either. I wanted to vote for Hillary--but that&#039;s no longer an option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now the video&#8217;s endorsements appear to be fraudulently obtained, according to the interviewed&#8230;..this doesn&#8217;t do much to inspire faith in Obama.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like Obama. It has nothing to do with Israel, his middle name, national security or that he&#8217;s black. If looks alone counted, he&#8217;s got McCain beat &#8212; he&#8217;s young, handsome, sexy and articulate.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s also been running for President since his &#8220;community activist&#8221; days; he taylors his speeches to his audiences and changes his positions to fit his needs of the moment; his earmarks have gone to his wife&#8217;s hospital as payback for her obscenely gigantic raise; other earmarks have gone to his lobbyist lawyer pals; his mortgage comes from another Chicago pal who both sits on the hospital board with Michelle and gave the Obamas a $1.3 million mortgage.</p>
<p>This is not &#8220;Change.&#8221; This is politics-as-usual.</p>
<p>His slogan of &#8220;change&#8221; is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. He is a politician from the heart of the Chicago political machine, and that he will say anything to get elected. Morally, he is an empty suit.</p>
<p>He will do nothing to advance the peace process.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like McCain either. I wanted to vote for Hillary&#8211;but that&#8217;s no longer an option.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sterns</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Sterns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that Obama is better for Israel just isn&#039;t  &quot;progressive propaganda&quot;.  It&#039;s also predicated on a &quot;maverick&quot; like McCain making sudden, unpredictable moves that endanger Israel or the Middle East.

On Oct. 6 the Los Angeles Times published a story on McCain&#039;s early Navy record.  &quot;This examination of his record revealed a pilot who early in his career was cocky, occasionally cavalier and prone to testing limits.&quot;

While it&#039;s true that a lot of personal transformation occurred after that, I think it&#039;s fair to say that McCain is still &quot;prone to testing limits&quot;.

No direct talks with Iran.  Missile confrontation over the nuclear issue.  The possibility of risk-taking pre-emptive strikes.  I don&#039;t really want a maverick testing limits in this milieu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that Obama is better for Israel just isn&#8217;t  &#8220;progressive propaganda&#8221;.  It&#8217;s also predicated on a &#8220;maverick&#8221; like McCain making sudden, unpredictable moves that endanger Israel or the Middle East.</p>
<p>On Oct. 6 the Los Angeles Times published a story on McCain&#8217;s early Navy record.  &#8220;This examination of his record revealed a pilot who early in his career was cocky, occasionally cavalier and prone to testing limits.&#8221;</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s true that a lot of personal transformation occurred after that, I think it&#8217;s fair to say that McCain is still &#8220;prone to testing limits&#8221;.</p>
<p>No direct talks with Iran.  Missile confrontation over the nuclear issue.  The possibility of risk-taking pre-emptive strikes.  I don&#8217;t really want a maverick testing limits in this milieu.</p>
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		<title>By: Y. Ben-David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Y. Ben-David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops-I meant to say that Obama&#039;s campaign recruited a few far Left Israeli IDF officers and Mossad people to say they want Obama (on what basis they reach this conclusion is beyond me, other than the fact that he says he wants &quot;peace&quot; , after all,  McCain  says the same thing).  This  is odd since they are not Americans and don&#039;t vote in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops-I meant to say that Obama&#8217;s campaign recruited a few far Left Israeli IDF officers and Mossad people to say they want Obama (on what basis they reach this conclusion is beyond me, other than the fact that he says he wants &#8220;peace&#8221; , after all,  McCain  says the same thing).  This  is odd since they are not Americans and don&#8217;t vote in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Y. Ben-David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Y. Ben-David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloix-
I don&#039;t think most Israelis support Obama.  I don&#039;t know if they are &quot;afraid&quot; of him, but I do know that the propaganda message Obama&#039;s campaign put out about &quot;tough soldiers who fought for Israel&quot; only shows people associated with the far Left in Israel.  Israelis prefer a President who projects American strength and power throughout the world.  They remember that an appeaser like Jimmy Carter is associated with the rise of the Iranian mullahs to power, who are now Israel&#039;s most outspoken enemy, and they fear that Obama is like him, and indeed Obama in the past has talked about opening unconditional talks with them and other America haters in the world (although he has qualified this in the debates I have heard).
Thus, American Jews who care about Israel have legitimate reasons not to want Obama in the White House, and it has NOTHING to do with &quot;racism&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloix-<br />
I don&#8217;t think most Israelis support Obama.  I don&#8217;t know if they are &#8220;afraid&#8221; of him, but I do know that the propaganda message Obama&#8217;s campaign put out about &#8220;tough soldiers who fought for Israel&#8221; only shows people associated with the far Left in Israel.  Israelis prefer a President who projects American strength and power throughout the world.  They remember that an appeaser like Jimmy Carter is associated with the rise of the Iranian mullahs to power, who are now Israel&#8217;s most outspoken enemy, and they fear that Obama is like him, and indeed Obama in the past has talked about opening unconditional talks with them and other America haters in the world (although he has qualified this in the debates I have heard).<br />
Thus, American Jews who care about Israel have legitimate reasons not to want Obama in the White House, and it has NOTHING to do with &#8220;racism&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bloix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bloix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H Watzman &amp; G. Gorenberg - this video is not meant for you.  You find it shallow and trite because the points it makes are obvious to you.   The facts it presents do not register with you because you are not even aware that they may be new to the target audience. 

But these facts are not apparent to  the people I spent Rosh Hashanah afternoon with - my mother and her friends, older American Jews who do not read the Israeli press, and who may not know more than one or two Israelis,  but who have a strong emotional reaction to anything they see aa a threat to Israel.  These are voters who have a strong historic relationship with the Democratic Party and whose own self-interest - economic and social - is to vote Democratic.   But they can be pried away if they can be led to believe that Obama is bad for Israel.  The right accordingly has targeted them, with  anti-Obama propaganda pitched at the lowest emotional level:  Obama is a Muslim, he&#039;s not an American, he hates Israel, he&#039;s a terrorist.   

The &quot;Obama is a Muslim&quot; message has been particularly effective, spread by viral emails and word of mouth.  That is why this video spends so much time on it, and on the name &quot;Hussein.&quot;  You probably found the whole &quot;Hussein&quot; business confusing and boring.  But it is essential that Jewish American voters lose their fear of the name, which the right routinely uses to  smear Obama, as if his father and mother actually named him for Saddam.

This video shows that actual Israelis are not afraid of Obama.  You know that already, but the target audience does not.  It&#039;s intended to neutralize a fear that you don&#039;t share - the fear that Obama is a stealth candidate, a secret Muslim and an ally of terrorists.  You may think that fear is absurd, but it&#039;s real.  Once the fear can be overcome, an actual debate can be started.  But the first step is to show that real Israelis of all ages and political views would welcome an Obama presidency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H Watzman &amp; G. Gorenberg &#8211; this video is not meant for you.  You find it shallow and trite because the points it makes are obvious to you.   The facts it presents do not register with you because you are not even aware that they may be new to the target audience. </p>
<p>But these facts are not apparent to  the people I spent Rosh Hashanah afternoon with &#8211; my mother and her friends, older American Jews who do not read the Israeli press, and who may not know more than one or two Israelis,  but who have a strong emotional reaction to anything they see aa a threat to Israel.  These are voters who have a strong historic relationship with the Democratic Party and whose own self-interest &#8211; economic and social &#8211; is to vote Democratic.   But they can be pried away if they can be led to believe that Obama is bad for Israel.  The right accordingly has targeted them, with  anti-Obama propaganda pitched at the lowest emotional level:  Obama is a Muslim, he&#8217;s not an American, he hates Israel, he&#8217;s a terrorist.   </p>
<p>The &#8220;Obama is a Muslim&#8221; message has been particularly effective, spread by viral emails and word of mouth.  That is why this video spends so much time on it, and on the name &#8220;Hussein.&#8221;  You probably found the whole &#8220;Hussein&#8221; business confusing and boring.  But it is essential that Jewish American voters lose their fear of the name, which the right routinely uses to  smear Obama, as if his father and mother actually named him for Saddam.</p>
<p>This video shows that actual Israelis are not afraid of Obama.  You know that already, but the target audience does not.  It&#8217;s intended to neutralize a fear that you don&#8217;t share &#8211; the fear that Obama is a stealth candidate, a secret Muslim and an ally of terrorists.  You may think that fear is absurd, but it&#8217;s real.  Once the fear can be overcome, an actual debate can be started.  But the first step is to show that real Israelis of all ages and political views would welcome an Obama presidency.</p>
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		<title>By: Clif</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am frightened by videos like this one and I intend to vote for Obama. The power of emotion is incredible. I could not watch without feeling a rush. I believe humans are driven by the rush no matter how much they claim rationality.

One must consciously hold emotion in check in politics because as in any form of advertising, those creating the material know exactly how to push your buttons. The only way to deactivate those buttons is to turn off the power supply at the source - in your head (well, maybe your endocrine glands).

The greatest testimony to emotion as a lever in politics is the shallowness of American political dialogue. Obama is best placed to take advantage of the heartstrings - he&#039;s black! His dad was African! He is the promise of America made flesh! It not only goes to the electorate&#039;s heads, it can also cloud the mind of the elected, witness all the talk as a president nears the end of his term of his legacy.

The number one reason I have to vote for Obama is to remove as many of the incompetents and ideologues of the current administration as possible while preventing the addition of more with McCain and CutiePie.

The past eight years have not been all dark, they have increased my admiration for the strength of the United States system of government - we have survived the malign, conniving Dick Cheney who held us all beneath contempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am frightened by videos like this one and I intend to vote for Obama. The power of emotion is incredible. I could not watch without feeling a rush. I believe humans are driven by the rush no matter how much they claim rationality.</p>
<p>One must consciously hold emotion in check in politics because as in any form of advertising, those creating the material know exactly how to push your buttons. The only way to deactivate those buttons is to turn off the power supply at the source &#8211; in your head (well, maybe your endocrine glands).</p>
<p>The greatest testimony to emotion as a lever in politics is the shallowness of American political dialogue. Obama is best placed to take advantage of the heartstrings &#8211; he&#8217;s black! His dad was African! He is the promise of America made flesh! It not only goes to the electorate&#8217;s heads, it can also cloud the mind of the elected, witness all the talk as a president nears the end of his term of his legacy.</p>
<p>The number one reason I have to vote for Obama is to remove as many of the incompetents and ideologues of the current administration as possible while preventing the addition of more with McCain and CutiePie.</p>
<p>The past eight years have not been all dark, they have increased my admiration for the strength of the United States system of government &#8211; we have survived the malign, conniving Dick Cheney who held us all beneath contempt.</p>
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		<title>By: Gershom Gorenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gershom Gorenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Haim, I agree with you that this is shallow - it&#039;s done on the level of old UJA feel-good PR for Israel. That kind of PR turned me off, and so does the lightweight approach of whoever put together this ad.

Nonetheless, I think it may work on those voters who have no actual ideological or political objection to Obama, but just feel uncomfortable with him - somehow sure that he is unsafe for Israel though they can&#039;t say why. The &quot;why&quot; may have to do partly with racism, and partly with being influenced by viral emails. The ad says: Calm down. Israelis are comfortable with him. You can be as well. 

This hints at a paradox of politics: It&#039;s not true that all voters are superficial. But a significant portion of those who waver back and forth and make up their mind at the last minute are influenced by how the candidates strike their feelings. At some point, campaigns will focus on those voters, and the overall discussion seems to get very shallow. Alas, there are also Jewish voters who would rather go with how they feel than think about the candidates&#039; positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Haim, I agree with you that this is shallow &#8211; it&#8217;s done on the level of old UJA feel-good PR for Israel. That kind of PR turned me off, and so does the lightweight approach of whoever put together this ad.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I think it may work on those voters who have no actual ideological or political objection to Obama, but just feel uncomfortable with him &#8211; somehow sure that he is unsafe for Israel though they can&#8217;t say why. The &#8220;why&#8221; may have to do partly with racism, and partly with being influenced by viral emails. The ad says: Calm down. Israelis are comfortable with him. You can be as well. </p>
<p>This hints at a paradox of politics: It&#8217;s not true that all voters are superficial. But a significant portion of those who waver back and forth and make up their mind at the last minute are influenced by how the candidates strike their feelings. At some point, campaigns will focus on those voters, and the overall discussion seems to get very shallow. Alas, there are also Jewish voters who would rather go with how they feel than think about the candidates&#8217; positions.</p>
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