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	<title>Comments on: The Missing Mahatma: Searching for a Palestinian Gandhi</title>
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		<title>By: MERC</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2009/03/the-missing-mahatma-searching-for-a-palestinian-gandhi/comment-page-1/#comment-8638</link>
		<dc:creator>MERC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan; &quot;I can live in America because the state of Israel exists.&quot; You have a choice for no other reason than that you are Jewish, but millions of Palestinian refugees are prevented from returning to their ancestral homes for no other reason than that they are not Jewish. What kind of morality is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan; &#8220;I can live in America because the state of Israel exists.&#8221; You have a choice for no other reason than that you are Jewish, but millions of Palestinian refugees are prevented from returning to their ancestral homes for no other reason than that they are not Jewish. What kind of morality is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2009/03/the-missing-mahatma-searching-for-a-palestinian-gandhi/comment-page-1/#comment-8591</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deborah, I can live in America, because the state of Israel exists. If it didn&#039;t I would be there creating a Jewish state.

Ghandi&#039;s response to the Holocaust was to tell Jews to commit mass-suicide to awaken the conscience of the world. Do I want a Palestinian Ghandi? I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah, I can live in America, because the state of Israel exists. If it didn&#8217;t I would be there creating a Jewish state.</p>
<p>Ghandi&#8217;s response to the Holocaust was to tell Jews to commit mass-suicide to awaken the conscience of the world. Do I want a Palestinian Ghandi? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: The Missing Matatma: Further thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Missing Matatma: Further thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my answer is in his post). Svend White, an American Muslim, offered some thoughtful criticism,  commenting here and on his own blog (which I recommend).  And then of course there are the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my answer is in his post). Svend White, an American Muslim, offered some thoughtful criticism,  commenting here and on his own blog (which I recommend).  And then of course there are the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MERC</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2009/03/the-missing-mahatma-searching-for-a-palestinian-gandhi/comment-page-1/#comment-8494</link>
		<dc:creator>MERC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to draw your attention to the essay by Dina Jadallah-Taschler, Palestinian Resistance in Context, Between Non-Violent &amp; Armed Struggle at ramallahonline.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to draw your attention to the essay by Dina Jadallah-Taschler, Palestinian Resistance in Context, Between Non-Violent &amp; Armed Struggle at ramallahonline.com</p>
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		<title>By: KACTUZ</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2009/03/the-missing-mahatma-searching-for-a-palestinian-gandhi/comment-page-1/#comment-8493</link>
		<dc:creator>KACTUZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There can be no Palestinian Ghandi because Islam teaches &quot;hate, kill and conquer&quot; instead. That &quot;love your neighbor&quot; thing is not part of their dogma.

I see the quote from Al-maeda (Quran) above.   In case you don&#039;t know, that  is the chapter that authorizes Muslims to kill and brutally torture anybody that opposes them (5.33) and is dedicated to teaching hate and violence against non-Muslims.     Of course, Muslims never consider the hate and violence in the Quran or the evil deeds of Mohammad.  Perhaps verse  101 explains this attitude (&quot; O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble&quot;).

That is right.  Never think, never ask why, never consider the facts...  Just believe, hate and kill.

There is no hope for the Middle East.  Jews will not offer their throats to be murdered and Muslims will not stop the hate.

KACTUZ  




 about L-MAEDA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There can be no Palestinian Ghandi because Islam teaches &#8220;hate, kill and conquer&#8221; instead. That &#8220;love your neighbor&#8221; thing is not part of their dogma.</p>
<p>I see the quote from Al-maeda (Quran) above.   In case you don&#8217;t know, that  is the chapter that authorizes Muslims to kill and brutally torture anybody that opposes them (5.33) and is dedicated to teaching hate and violence against non-Muslims.     Of course, Muslims never consider the hate and violence in the Quran or the evil deeds of Mohammad.  Perhaps verse  101 explains this attitude (&#8221; O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble&#8221;).</p>
<p>That is right.  Never think, never ask why, never consider the facts&#8230;  Just believe, hate and kill.</p>
<p>There is no hope for the Middle East.  Jews will not offer their throats to be murdered and Muslims will not stop the hate.</p>
<p>KACTUZ  </p>
<p> about L-MAEDA</p>
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		<title>By: claskov</title>
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		<dc:creator>claskov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was particularly heartened to see this essay in The Weekly Standard.  Differing political camps can respectfully hear out one another&#039;s views, based on a mutual love of reason as the basis of a free society.

I wonder, though, whether your question is framed properly.  Do we need a Palestinian Gandhi, to shame Israel into withdrawal from the territories, an eventuality that I also personally hope to see occur?  Or do we simply need Palestinian moderates, who will refrain from attacking Israel, and focus instead on building their own society, albeit under challenging political and economic conditions?  What if Palestinians in Gaza had simply desisted in attacking Israel after it had forcibly uprooted its own citizens in Gaza, rather than escalating their bombardment?  That demonstrable willingness to live peacefully in a contiguous state would alone have been sufficient, I believe, to carry the momentum of popular sentiment further in favor of a total withdrawal from the territories, with the concurrent establishment of a recognized Palestinian political entity.  This would not have entailed marching unarmed into a phalanx of tanks, but only a willingness to begin the arduous process of creating the institutions of state.  In short, I suppose I&#039;ve become enough of a pessimist to believe that you have given them too much credit by reducing their available options to either peaceful or violent resistance.  Why can&#039;t they just try co-existence, even in the face of hardships imposed by the Israeli military presence?  At the very least, it would not have provoked the war in January.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was particularly heartened to see this essay in The Weekly Standard.  Differing political camps can respectfully hear out one another&#8217;s views, based on a mutual love of reason as the basis of a free society.</p>
<p>I wonder, though, whether your question is framed properly.  Do we need a Palestinian Gandhi, to shame Israel into withdrawal from the territories, an eventuality that I also personally hope to see occur?  Or do we simply need Palestinian moderates, who will refrain from attacking Israel, and focus instead on building their own society, albeit under challenging political and economic conditions?  What if Palestinians in Gaza had simply desisted in attacking Israel after it had forcibly uprooted its own citizens in Gaza, rather than escalating their bombardment?  That demonstrable willingness to live peacefully in a contiguous state would alone have been sufficient, I believe, to carry the momentum of popular sentiment further in favor of a total withdrawal from the territories, with the concurrent establishment of a recognized Palestinian political entity.  This would not have entailed marching unarmed into a phalanx of tanks, but only a willingness to begin the arduous process of creating the institutions of state.  In short, I suppose I&#8217;ve become enough of a pessimist to believe that you have given them too much credit by reducing their available options to either peaceful or violent resistance.  Why can&#8217;t they just try co-existence, even in the face of hardships imposed by the Israeli military presence?  At the very least, it would not have provoked the war in January.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Israel: Searching for a Peace Prophet in Palestine</title>
		<link>http://southjerusalem.com/2009/03/the-missing-mahatma-searching-for-a-palestinian-gandhi/comment-page-1/#comment-8487</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Israel: Searching for a Peace Prophet in Palestine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] could they reshape the entire conflict with Israel and finally realize a two-state solution?&#8221; asks Israeli journalist Gershom Gorenberg in an entry entitled, &#8220;The Missing Mahatma: Searching [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] could they reshape the entire conflict with Israel and finally realize a two-state solution?&#8221; asks Israeli journalist Gershom Gorenberg in an entry entitled, &#8220;The Missing Mahatma: Searching [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Raghav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raghav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y. Ben-David: Plenty of poskim consider Hinduism avodah zarah; does that make them anti-Hindu?

In reality, of course, Gandhi &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gandhiserve.org/information/writings_online/articles/gandhi_jews_palestine.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;said&lt;/a&gt; he thought that &quot;the Jewish religion is a very fine religion&quot; and that &quot;[a]nti-Semitism is really a remnant of barbarism[.]&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y. Ben-David: Plenty of poskim consider Hinduism avodah zarah; does that make them anti-Hindu?</p>
<p>In reality, of course, Gandhi <a href="http://www.gandhiserve.org/information/writings_online/articles/gandhi_jews_palestine.html" rel="nofollow">said</a> he thought that &#8220;the Jewish religion is a very fine religion&#8221; and that &#8220;[a]nti-Semitism is really a remnant of barbarism[.]&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Nimrod Tal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nimrod Tal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like Gershon&#039;s thoughts on comment 13, presumably a real Palestinian, unlike the fantasy that Gershon has cooked up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like Gershon&#8217;s thoughts on comment 13, presumably a real Palestinian, unlike the fantasy that Gershon has cooked up</p>
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		<title>By: Y. Ben-David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Y. Ben-David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed Vince Hill&#039;s delicate sense of humor:
He says he has &quot;street credit&quot;.... a polite way of saying he is serving FIVE life sentences for first degree murder.  Of course, our very own leader of MERETZ &quot;Jumas&quot; Haim Oron just visited his pal Barghouti in the clink. He is proud of his friendship with this assassin. Can you imagine what the Israeli media would say if an MK wanted to meet &quot;his friend Yigal Amir in prison?&quot;  Jewish blood is cheap to the Left, I see. Killing Jews is nothing to get excited about. Yossi Sarid wrote an article saying &quot;his eyes are burning in their sockets&quot; when he read that something like 30% of Israelis think Yigal Amir sould eventually get parole, just like all other murderers serving life sentences. Just a couple of days later he was advocating releasing Barghouti because &quot;there are no saints here in the Middle East&quot;. For Leftists like Jumas, Sarid and others, they have nothing but love and affection for murderers of Jews.

Gandhi was, regarding the Jews, nothing more than a typical British-style genteel antisemite. He loved dead Jews, but had little use for live ones who were trying to survive. He wrote that he had little respect for Judaism as a religion, didn&#039;t like the Bible (&quot;too warlike&quot;), yet like so many others, was very forgiving towards Muslim violence. He even justified Arab violence in Palestine, saying he could understand why they were violent.  So much for this &quot;principled proponent of non-violence-satyagraha&quot;.  Many Indians grew tired of him, viewing him as  an apologist for Muslim violence, calling him &quot;Muhammed Gandhi&quot;.
Yes, I agree with Orwell that he was a major improvement on other revolutionary leaders like Mao, Stalin, Lenin, and he deserved credit that India did not become a totalitarian dictatorship as did other undeveloped large countries.
Having said, this I stand by my assessment of him as an antisemite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed Vince Hill&#8217;s delicate sense of humor:<br />
He says he has &#8220;street credit&#8221;&#8230;. a polite way of saying he is serving FIVE life sentences for first degree murder.  Of course, our very own leader of MERETZ &#8220;Jumas&#8221; Haim Oron just visited his pal Barghouti in the clink. He is proud of his friendship with this assassin. Can you imagine what the Israeli media would say if an MK wanted to meet &#8220;his friend Yigal Amir in prison?&#8221;  Jewish blood is cheap to the Left, I see. Killing Jews is nothing to get excited about. Yossi Sarid wrote an article saying &#8220;his eyes are burning in their sockets&#8221; when he read that something like 30% of Israelis think Yigal Amir sould eventually get parole, just like all other murderers serving life sentences. Just a couple of days later he was advocating releasing Barghouti because &#8220;there are no saints here in the Middle East&#8221;. For Leftists like Jumas, Sarid and others, they have nothing but love and affection for murderers of Jews.</p>
<p>Gandhi was, regarding the Jews, nothing more than a typical British-style genteel antisemite. He loved dead Jews, but had little use for live ones who were trying to survive. He wrote that he had little respect for Judaism as a religion, didn&#8217;t like the Bible (&#8220;too warlike&#8221;), yet like so many others, was very forgiving towards Muslim violence. He even justified Arab violence in Palestine, saying he could understand why they were violent.  So much for this &#8220;principled proponent of non-violence-satyagraha&#8221;.  Many Indians grew tired of him, viewing him as  an apologist for Muslim violence, calling him &#8220;Muhammed Gandhi&#8221;.<br />
Yes, I agree with Orwell that he was a major improvement on other revolutionary leaders like Mao, Stalin, Lenin, and he deserved credit that India did not become a totalitarian dictatorship as did other undeveloped large countries.<br />
Having said, this I stand by my assessment of him as an antisemite.</p>
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